Securing Privacy in the Internet Age

Stanford Law School Symposium

March 13-14, 2004   Stanford Law School

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Foundations

Daniel Solove: The New Vulnerability: Data Security and Personal Information

Jennifer Chandler: Tort Liability for Cyber Insecurity: The Case of DDoS Attacks

Questions

Approaches to Reform

Michael Froomkin: The Uneasy Case for National ID Cards as a Means to Enhance Privacy

Lance Hoffman: An Architecture to Allow Metadata-driven Legal and Economic Controls in Privacy-sensitive systems

Ian Ballon: Coming Wave of Security Litigation

Questions

Intentionally Leaky Technology

Daniel Gervais: Price of Social Norms – Towards a privacy-friendly liability regime for P2P

Christopher Wolf: Air passenger privacy issues

Jonathan Weinberg – RFID and Privacy

Pamela Samuelson: Sensor Networks and Privacy

Questions

Challenges for the Chief Privacy Officer

Thomas Smedinghoff: Defining the Legal Standard of Information Security

Andrew Charlesworth: The Evolution of Privacy Regulation in the Internet Age – Smooth or Episodic

Alex Fowler - Connected Privacy: Embedding Meaningful Privacy Measures into Business

Jon Sobel: Privacy in the Internet Age

Questions

From Contractual Freedom to Strict Liability

Andrea Matwyshyn: Mutually Assured Protection: Development of Relational Internet and Privacy Contracting Norms

Shubha Gosh & Vikram Mangalmurti: Social Insurance Perspective on Cybersecurity and Privacy

Raymond Nimmer – Contracts and Data protection

Chris Hoofnagle: Putting Identity Theft on Ice: Phase Shifting Credit to Prevent Lending to Imposters

Questions

Finding the Players in the Privacy Shell Game

Marcy Peek: Beyond Contract: Utilizing Restitution

Michael Birnahck & Niva Elkin-Koren: Securing Privacy in a Multi-player Regime

Susan Brenner: Should criminal liability be used to secure data privacy

Tim Wu – The International Privacy Ratchet

Questions

Alternatives for Privacy Enhancement

Jay Kesan – The Economic Case for Cyberinsurance

Ted Janger – ID theft, reputation sanction and the non-disclosure externality: regulating data security in the payment system

Lillian Edwards: The Problem with Privacy: A modest Proposal

Questions

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Introduction

            Coeditors: Margaret Jane Radin, Anupam Chander, Lauren Gelman

            Program on Law, Science & Technology

            Center for Internet & Society

            Funded by Cy Pres Fund

            What will it take to handle the privacy problem?

                        Many possible tools at our disposal

                        Need a way to talk about these questions calmly, practically

 

Foundations

Daniel Solove: The New Vulnerability: Data Security and Personal Information                

From Seton Hall Law School

Computer Networks are vulnerable, and this data is important

Digital Dossiers about our lives: 100s of businesses & government

            Used to assess reputation, credibility, eligibility for loans, jobs, arrest

            Need to make sure these are safe, correct

Identity Theft – use of personal information to illegally access financial or other goods

            FTC (2003) – Almost 10 million Americans within the past year

                        300 million hours to fix it

                        $5 billion consumer loss to ID theft

Tech. solutions for a tech problem? à  crypto, firewalls

            BUT: not the root cause of information abuse

Problem is legal, business model

            Companies provide access to plenty of people

Information abuse – hierarchy of staging: insecurity enables leaking which can lead to harm

            Misuse – used for ID theft, marketing, stalking

                        Cause concrete injuries: emotional distress, financial loss, physical violence

                        Criminal law is proposed as a solution

                                    BUT: not enough resources in law enforcement, thieves are hard to catch, happens across multiple jurisdictions

                        Victims can’t use tort

                                    Thieves don’t have deep pockets, still have to track them down

                                    Enabling credit information seen as victims themselves, rather than at fault

                        Fair & Accurate Credit Transactions Act – FACTA

                                    Allow people to deal with ID theft

                                    Opting out of pre-screened credit, coordination b/n credit firms, free credit reports

                                    Amelioration, remedial approach, doesn’t prevent ID theft

                                    Even preempts more protective state laws

                        Law needs to act earlier on to prevent data misuse

            Data Leaks

                        Not always a harm, merely exposure to potential for harm

                                    Tracing leak to harm is harder, may happen past statute of limitations

            Insecurity – problem of architecture

                        Primary flaw is the low-tech entry point

                                    Social Security Number as the password – this is a stupid idea

                        On documents, in wallet; we have control over as an identifier!

                        Can get SSN for sale on the internet

                        Common solution: use more information à mother’s maiden name

                                    Also publicly available

                                    Also: diminishing utility of repeated use of identifier

                        3 billion pre-approved credit notices

Identity theft has been constructed

            Gov’t has stamped us with ID, but not regulated its use

            Businesses use it as password

            Low security on our dossiers

            à bad business practices

Architectures of control vs. “architectures of vulnerability

            Cause harm by increasing risk of harm

                                    Law needs to get involved at this stage, higher in the chain

Possible Paradigmatic Solutions

Fiduciary duty analogies (Jessica Litman)

            Data protectors should have a higher standard of conduct (doctor/patient, lawyer/client)

Tort Law

            Emotional Distress: courts have been reluctant to allow this itself

                        BUT: John Doe case – SC ruled that release of SSN wasn’t harm itself

            Increased Risk of Future Harm

                        Petriello vs. Kahlman (sp) – medical malpractice

Structural Remedies

            FTC has had a privacy role: companies intervene w/ breach of privacy policy

                        Charged MS Passport system for not providing adequate security

                                    Settlement of improvement, and acceptance of monitoring and review

                        BUT: FTC only enforces that which is promised

            GLB mandates security of information

                        Mandate for FTC to take action

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Jennifer Chandler: Tort Liability for Cyber Insecurity: The Case of DDoS Attacks

From University of Ottowa

Netsky – removed backdoors of myDoom, replace with its own

            Current wave of virus attacks may be a turf war

            We’re bystanders in this battle

Enormous loss, but hard to quantify: time, brand, service delivery, more security

            Diversion of scarce resources hurts the poorer countries

            Critical systems need to be isolated

            Hacktivism hurts the marketplace of ideas (e.g. Al Jazeera takedown)

Denial of Service attack – server is overwhelmed by traffic and can’t use

            Distributed: use of many computers under control of malware

            42% of surveyed firms reported being a victim of these attacks

Why do security flaws happen?

            1) Society will tolerate this because it’s too expensive to fix

            2) Architecture issues

                        Underinvestement in security because of public good nature

                        Consumers don’t understand the issue

                        Perverse incentives in SW development – need to sell versions

Parties in DDOS that might be susceptible to tort liability

            Victim can’t do much themselves for protection – high bandwidth, complex infrastructure, spoofing traffic

            Websites that circulate information about how to run DDOS

                        Why drive info underground, how to ID the whitehat community?

            ISP could block ports, screen traffic

                        Potential liability

                        Trend towards trusted computing

            End users – why don’t they patch their systems since attacks happen after bug awareness

                        Patches are not always reliable, can be spoofed

                        Externality – owners of attacked computers unlikely to be victim themselves

                        Stop the users

                                    Automated patching BUT EULA, destabilizing

                                    Hold them liable

                                    Disconnect them

                        Focusing on the end users not so helpful

            Software developers – stop the problem at the beginning

                        What do you mean by SW?

                        Or have a competition between vendors to look for vulnerabilities

                        Monoculture issues – if you can attack one, you can attack all

                        Legislate security standards of software BUT – it’s complex, context dependent, bad track record

                                    Gov’t should use purchase-driven mandate

Torts: Sue for negligence

            Who will sue? 

                        Purchaser has contract which may require arbitration, may contribute w/ lack of patches

                        Victim of DDOS would be a good plaintiff

                                    Not involved in contract w/ vendor or contributed

                                    Active harms from PR hit

            Defense of SW vendor

                        Duty of care - Criminal 3rd party breaks chain of causation

                                    BUT: may exist anyway i.e. landlord security negligent

                                    Issues with cyberspace/real property analogies – may suppress innovation

                                    Key feature: control over context where harm takes place – SW vendor may control this context

                                    Not all SW – need ubiquity to define context why?  Why not any party who makes bad SW?

                        Pure economic loss hard to recover – how to limit liability in this context?

                                    BUT: this might be relational economic loss

                                    Cheaper overall – net economic gains

                        Hard to prove fault in acquisition of ownz0red boxes

                        Assumption of risk in a server on the net

            [Presentation cut short, but paper addresses mechanism to determine standards]

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Questions

Q: If bad business practices and governance, how did this come about? Profit maximizing, unintended consequences, political economy?

A: Privacy Act only restricted Agency use of SSNs, not private business.  Businesses like SSNs because it makes linking data easier, so they want a common aspect.  US vs. EU regimes, FTC is the safe harbor that tries to protect

Q: Why use negligence & tort liability?

A: Use as many tools as possible, ISPs would only stop propagation; attack the root cause

Q: International liability issues?

A:

Q: (from me) How to set standards, given multiple types of code error.

A: Buffer overflows are the most common à function of C, but it’s a known problem, can automate searches that make the testing smaller.  This is a known and repetitive risk, that can be examined.  BUILD SECURITY IN!  Demand what’s reasonable.

Q: Is ID theft less of a problem in the EU wrt privacy laws?

A: We don’t know.

Q: (from Microsoft) Root cause is the criminals, not the SW; shouldn’t just blame the SW because law enforcement can’t catch the criminals.  It’s just jumping to deep pockets. Time lag issues as well.

 A: Government

Q: (Froomkin) Thing being operated is the HW – the owner of the machine is not using it right.  It’s like a swimming pool without a fence. Law and Econ (hypothetically, of course) says that

A: Sticky to implement, hard to raise awareness.

Q: End user is liable sometimes: if a payment transaction fails b/c of SW, it’s the user that is still responsible.

Q: Agency regulations aren’t really all that effective.

A: What else will you use?  Get rid of the FDA despite it’s faults?

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Approaches to Reform

Supposes that reform is necessary.  Can have top-down regulations, technology and architecture-driven reform or common-law development.  These papers address each of the three approaches.

Michael Froomkin: The Uneasy Case for National ID Cards as a Means to Enhance Privacy

From University of Miami School of Law

Approach: What do ID cards make necessary? Can we have cards and still have privacy?

            Is there a scenario where ID cards can enhance privacy?

            Salient issue: SC case of XXX

Proponents: ID cards are touted as a solution to all sort of problems – working on examining merits of those claims

            Cards not important so much as linked databases that it keys

            Biometric is embedded ID card

Opponents: Image is highly visceral: “Papers please”

Status quo: Formally voluntary regime for ID cards – no actual requirement

            You don’t have to have a driver’s license: makes due process a little sticky.

            Due process is hard, and can’t enforce things

Starting point for analysis: Compare ID card regime to either privacy utopia BUT need a realistic counterfactual for comparison.

            Mandated use of ID card with strong privacy protections

            Status quo is bad, and getting worse

            Cards can be designed well, protected with strict legal limitations

Complaint: centralized data will be a central point of failure, determined by business lobbyists

            BUT: status quo has too many flaws, can’t control at all.

            “Let’s roll the political dice”

                        People can get energized by privacy

Most people use rational privacy myopia

            Transactional data: average cost for user is higher than marginal cost from consumers

            Putting plastic in peoples pockets will make privacy more salient.

Why not to have privacy policies?

            Psychological cost of defining relationship between

            Malicious law enforcement – J Edgar problem

                        BUT: is this really that hard today? Compare w/ status quo

            Social value to forgetfulness which dossiers make harder

                        BUT: aren’t we going there anyway

            Predictive Profiling: criminals use credit cards for delivery pizza

            National ID system as a DRM mechanism        

            Generalized Megan’s Law: warning about just about anything

Card system is better than just a biometric, since you can revoke it more easily

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Lance Hoffman: An Architecture to Allow Metadata-driven Legal and Economic Controls in Privacy-sensitive systems

George Washington CS dept

Future issues needed from computer security

            Accountability

            Stopping ID theft

            Freedom vs. security

            Always on, all the time – technical protocols that deal with these

            Build fast, fix later (never)

Example: Intelligent Transportation Systems

            Parents monitoring where their kids are driving

Privacy vs. accountability

            Short term anonymity

Thinking about a fishbowl society – need to consider ubiquitous data collection & storage

            Who watches the watchers

Control rules over data: tamper resistant security & privacy audit control mechanisms in personal data records

            charge/meter access if needed/wanted

Want “value-free system design”

            Allow market, law and norms to determine

            Take the technical “lessigian dot” out of the picture

            Based on work by Pam Samuelson which ones?

            Is this even possible?

Internet voting issues

General Access control rules

Pervasive tracking should lead to pervasive audit trails

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Ian Ballon: Coming Wave of Security Litigation

Talking about Gateway security, internal security, security of data in transmission

            Last is well covered by federal law already

Security today is like privacy in 1995

Status Quo

            Federal Legislation

                        Gramm-Leach-Bliley

                        HIPPA security rule

            State Legislation

                        CA state law: Breach of security requires notice to customers

            FTC Enforcement Actions – sensitizing companies to these issues

                        Guess Inc. (2003) Lexis 85

                        Microsoft (2002) Lexis 43

                        Eli Lilly & CO. (2002) FTC Lexis 22

            Internet Class Action Litigation

           

            [Note taker had to duck out here]

Absence of standards make litigation inevitable and hard to predict

            FTC and Attorneys General

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Questions

Q: (Moderator)National ID would concentrate public attention, but would the regulations only apply to national ID itself?  Why would companies buy in?

A: Data scrubbing can be legally addressed.  But companies need something, and what will they do?

 

Q: (Moderator)Mandatory or Voluntary Audit trail for metadata? 

A: This is/should be open to debate.  Importance is to build the system, come up with model

 

Q: (Privacy Activism) Statutory Requirement à due process, but we’ve seen such a slippery slope (Airlines) today, why won’t use expand permanently.

A: Bringing it out in the open will bring out standard processes of due process.  Now, it’s very secretive, and we don’t know what is going on.  See John Gilmore case.

 

Q: (Microsoft) To protect identities, you need to authenticate the identity.  Need a scrub list, which keeps ID.  Ability to forget may not be so desirability. 

A: [Froomkin] was talking about a more civil-rights driven forgetability, a second-chance idea.  Most of the American lit is about the importance of forgetting

 

Q: (University of Bremen) Already have German ID cards, trying to implement digital signatures. Can monitor the use of collective goods, and who can view this?

A: Probably should have digital signatures on card.  Public Welfare issues: Privacy Act isn’t bad about agency issues—we’re more concerned with law enforcement.  Fraud prevention is a use of ID cards: end goal of reputable self-reporting.  Census & Tax databases are fairly well protected, in part by strong bureaucracies. 

 

Q: (TJ school of law) What happens when we shift the rules or have crooked bureaucrats?  Why steer through the sirens?

A: Can use audit tools like Hoffman’s.  The constitution does have some amount of protection. 

 

Q: (Silicon Valley University) Linking information in a metadata system?

A: Dots are being connected right now.  Convenience is also desirability.  Utility vs. security.  See also Brin’s Transparent society.

 

Q: Why do we have to take “dot connecting” for granted?  See EU Directive. 

A: There is a tradeoff. 

 

Q: Cybercafes pose identification and authentication issues

A : Could require

 

Q: (Weinburg) Have the ID card and restrictions on data use, but how will the constitution protect our privacy against privacy-enroaching legislation?

A: 4th amendment might protect data records.  (Controversial) and many abuses will be protected. 

 

Q: (Copenhagen) Under EU data protection, data usage specification is built on OECD principles.  Also, EU data applies to all privately collected data.

A: Only respond to OECD rules if it’s a WIPO treaty J  And the EU doesn’t tie the US hands as much.

 

Q: Thoughts on impacts of state law of security breach notification?

A: [Ballon] counseled [his] clients against a security policy a la privacy policy. 

 

Q: (Privacy Rights Clearinghouse) Connecting the dots and the wrong conclusions: What do you do about Robert Hatfeld as the guy who’s profile matched an anthrax terrorist.

A: Distinction between predictive profiling and publication.  Suspect getting talked to vs. making it public.  Statitistical profiling for investigation vs. capacity to destroy career. Counterquestion: is a visit to from the local constabulary a bad thing?

Q: Counter response – social forgiveness takes a long time, and the “usual suspects” is dangerous.  Risk aversion means that you just don’t trust people who have been “tainted”

 

Q: (followup) Perverse incentives from police to get a suspect.

A: But this info can also be used to acquit people.

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Intentionally Leaky Technology

Data is flowing outward from these systems we use regularly. How to address this data flow?

 

Daniel Gervais: Price of Social Norms – Towards a privacy-friendly liability regime for P2P

University of Ottowa Law School

Backdrop of copyright law: RIAA/CRIA

EU – a positive right of information for seizure for origins of infringement

            “Under this law, your home is not your castle anymore; you will have to defend it quite aggressively”

Technopolicy triangle: technology, markets and regulation see paper for explication

            When norm is empowered by tech, and you try to use regulation to stop it, tech will react by allowing circumvention/blocking enforcement

            File sharing case study: file sharing was a strong social norm – 60% think it’s ok

                        Tech responded with innovations, will continue—no silver bullet

Given a certain small payment ($5/month from US, lower elsewhere) à $12 billion profit/year

            No cost for distribution in this system, unlike CD sales

Why isn’t music industry doing this

            Stuck in propertization paradigm – minimizing unauthorized usage

            Should be maximizing authorized usage à liability regime

Need some central admin work

            Collect data and money

            Centralize licensing for rightsholders

            Users – need early decoupling of personal usage

            Who does it: Govt, ISPs, Collectives, new companies

Data collection needed to disburse revenue, but can/should/must be done with privacy protection in mind.

Need an opt-out system: compulsory license systems are illegal under TRIPS

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Christopher Wolf: Air passenger privacy issues

Lawyer for Northwestern & Jetblue, but not wrt to this litigation

Passenger name records (PNR) are made available to TSA at flight time

            Linking them, your list of PNR is big and complex

            Can include personal information from 3rd parties, get lots of info

How are PNRs legally protected?

            Privacy policy of airline websites are wildly diverse, many metasites or travel agencies have none

Controversy: PNRs turned over to government agencies (voluntarily, to help the country)

            Jetblue: Outrage, 16 lawsuits, FTC complaints, attorneys general

            Northwestern: Fewer suits, possibly chilled by the motions to dismiss

Will the state plaintiffs be preempted by federal law

What claims do plaintiffs have?

            Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA)

            State common law claims: breach of contract or privacy tort

            Basic question: what expectations of privacy does the consumer have for PNR data

Privacy claims against federal rules: if data goes from private sources to private contractors, gov’t privacy restrictions don’t apply

CAPS II: profiling program

1st and 14th amendment issues

What data will be collected, how long, shared with whom, how data mined

What’s an airline to do if gov’t demands data?

            Need standards for handling PNR

            Certainty required to promote aviation security

            Many variables as stake

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Jonathan Weinberg – RFID and Privacy

Wayne State University

What is RFID? - Automatic ID and data collection systems

            Small tags with data, will broadcast the data when queried by a reader

            EPC: electronic product code is similar to a bar code, but

                        Doesn’t need to be scanned manually

                        Can be read quickly, out of line-of-site, many at a time

                        Item-level tagging unique

            Huge for inventory management

Most tagging systems haven’t been standardized yet

            Use a DNS-like system for linking objects to electronic records - ONS

Applications

RFID in passports, currency

                        Limit range to millimeters

Prescription drugs, kids, pets, library books

Embedded in supermarket loyalty cards

Privacy issues:

Risks of data usage require access to electronic network

            Persistent identifier if no clear access: over time can build a profile

Current limits on technology

            Price – tags still have non-trivial per-unit cost

            Read rates – can’t read many at once

            Competition might drive people away from open data display (Ross Stapleton-Gray)

What is new and unique about the privacy threats of this technology?

            1) Strangers can read your data without any relation to you, or affiliated parties, without consent or notice

                        No way to keep a tag from broadcasting information – too hard to get crypto

            2) Can track you through geographic space in the world

            3) Data isn’t linked to other identifiers

                        Classic privacy issues are linked to your name

Privacy threats of RFID

            If tag info is associated with your identifiers

                        This info is coming from other sources getting rid of 2)

                        BUT: now info can only be drawn if I have previous contact, so 1) drops out

                        Now the new threat is 2) above

            Tag number as persistent identifier

                        1) holds, for X person in their geographic space

                        Still have threat of tying information to this info

            Tag gives identifier, with data, but not enduring

                        Violates personal space issues for marketing, access based on

Policy response

            Limit linking of tags to info records

            Limit constant tags releasing data: kill stations or no simple tags

                        Bulk of post-POS data collectors have no need for information

                        BUT: is this too costly? Maybe, but probably not, since the

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Pamela Samuelson: Sensor Networks and Privacy

UC Berkeley – this is the beginning of a new project

Considerable about of R&D on sensor networks of small computers that can sense environment, transmit data

            E.g. after an earthquake, is a building safe?  Activities of elderly, weather/water info, bioterrorism

Sensor Networks vs. RFIDS

            Both are tiny computational systems with wireless transmission abilities

            Sensor networks are higher tech, and more active,

Sense physical activities rather than just identify

Technical challenge: tiny processors, transmission, energy  conservation

Doing everything very small – tiny OSes, security, etc

CITRIS conversations

Collaboration with technologists

            Techies want to submit a query, and get an answer about law

            Short window for development of good law

            Lawyers must educate the technologists about law, but understand tech as well

            Problems of escaping “toolkits” to use older paradigms, metaphors

FIPS and sensor networks

            Data collection is the norm (notice & consent)

            Absence of cues that sensing being done (notice & consent)

            Boundaries b/n public & privacy spaces

                        Everyone is a potential data collector (i.e. RFID)

            New kinds of data

            New kinds of storage – where is data in the system?

            Increased ability to make patterns out of seemingly innocuous data

            Data easy to reuse

            Concept of “my data” is harder, ss

            Lots of data is useless

Caselaw issues

            US v Miller – data in the hands of others

            Kyllo

What to do:

            Privacy-sensitive technology

                        Context-dependent encryption for data

                        Authentication for access

                        Flush logs

                        Turn sensors off, or detect sensors

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Questions

Q: (Ohio State) How to compare privacy and the public domain?  If information is free to all, how can I keep mine safe.

A: Concept of public domain is ill defined, but yes, it’s a challenge. 

A: Genuine tension between protecting privacy and free expression

 

Q: Cell phones are already a little bit of ubiquitous information collection

A: FCC has helped ensure that your cell phone knows where you are at all times.  BUT: telling the phone company vs. telling the world

A: Voluntary cell phone acquisition vs. involuntary, unknown sensor nets

A: Anecdote: onstar knows where I am, but can’t say where their call center is.

 

Q: (service provider journal) RFIDs enable mayhem?

A: Yes, and there are other issues.  Ross Stapleton-Gray talks about corporate espionage.

 

Q: (Hoffman) War driving ethical issues.  How do you sandbox research issues.

A: See Stapleton-gray’s sorting door, where people could see what tags they have on them.  CITRIS is trying to engage and build sandbox rules.

 

Q: VOIP and P2P – law enforcement issues,

A: Industry’s attitude has made users bitter, may be too late for licensing.  Industry has reduced risky releases, only going for cash cows.  Selling data for access is troublesome: importance is to collect data.  The point of my P2P talk is that it’s not neutral. 

Q: Followup – need fewer data points in the distribution chain to cull personal information. 

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Challenges for the Chief Privacy Officer

Thomas Smedinghoff: Defining the Legal Standard of Information Security

Clients ask: “What do I have to do?”  what are the info security obligations

Different approaches

            “Just make it happen” – focus on results

                        Like HIPPA

            “Do this specific thing” – implementation of specific security mechanism

                        CA reg: need to use crypto for transmission of SSN

            “Do what is reasonable” Like a negligence standard

            “Follow this process” – security is fact specific

Companies have a legal obligation, which extends to 3rd parties, lies with upper management

            BUT: not fixed rules on what to do or how to do it

What is the process that you have to go through

            (inspired by GLB & HIPPA)

            Asset assessment

                        Hardware, PII, financial info, tax records, trade secrets, transaction info

            Risk assessment

                        Size and scope of the operation

            Written security program à implementation

                        Manage the risks, burden of implementing defense

                        Industry standards (BUT: TJ Hooper standard says that sometimes you need to do more than standard)

            Monitoring & reassessment

                        Security is a process

No legal safe harbor for information security

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Andrew Charlesworth: The Evolution of Privacy Regulation in the Internet Age – Smooth or Episodic

From University of Bristol; not here to compare EU and US legal approaches

Argument that state regulation will become ineffective in key economic areas

            Solutions premised on clearly elucidated privacy interests

            Decentered” regulatory solutions have to work to manage trust and risk

Smooth evolution of law, focus on sectoral changes

            Limited disruption

            No attempt to tackle wider privacy interest questions

            Avoids conflict

            Potentially fatal to innovation, and we don’t have tools for radical change

Episodic evolution

            Understanding of contextual nature and role of privacy interests

            Need creative destruction: socially and economically valuable

            Involve public in regulation

            Reduces need for incremental additions

Was the EU Data Protection Directive Episodic?  No.

            Maintenance of status quo.

            Lack of social engagement – not a lot of talk about what public or regulated firms wanted

            Lack of flexibility

            Need for additional regulation to clarify

Perspective: M-commerce (R )evolution

            Federated identity management allows you to work through different environments

FIM vs. privacy

            Cross borders

            Distance subjects from data controllers

            Distance subjects from other service providers

            à hard to fit in existing regulations

Need an Episodic Step for m-commerce privacy

            Accept the demise of central data control regulation

            Deregulate, or use industry-based approach

                        m-commerce has a trust-based motivation à self interest for privacy

What would successful policy look like?

            Risk management

            Ability to demonstrate due diligence

            Legitimacy of regulated firms and the general public needed

            Protects [public, firms]

            Can be copied

            Jurisdictional harmonization, rather than left up to interpretation

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Alex Fowler - Connected Privacy: Embedding Meaningful Privacy Measures into Business

Organizational View of Privacy

            Complex, cross-jurisdictional regulatory environment

            Impacts firm trust and brand

Looking in on business perspective

            Decentralized business structures

            Uncertainty in data handling: what info, who has access, what are the compliance issues

Two schools of thought wrt privacy management in business

            Old School: privacy is a cost center, not a growth driver à dislike more privacy laws & compliance

            New School: customers like privacy

                        Privacy as an opportunity for brand

HIPAA Example

            Old School: compliance in the absence of public values

                        Patients just sign form, little consumer info or care

Disconnects of privacy

            Perception = reality in privacy

            Policy Paralysis in complex regulatory environments

            Intention vs. incentives – data misuse can be rewarded

            Data quantity vs data quality – orgs get as much info as possible, figure out use later

            Security = privacy fallacy

            Online = offline privacy challenges

Rapid response program driven by Westin’s energized segment

Privacy = data management from the organizational perspective

How do you move from old school to new school of thinking?

            Customer value perspective

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Jon Sobel: Privacy in the Internet Age

Not one person, esp. in a large company, who knows what/where the data is

Most of the major cases have been mistakes, not malfeasance

How do you approach the issue, if you’re a company?

Theme: We’re currently in a contract regime

            If it’s a market regime, there must be a market failure

                        Something’s not working here.

            Not a lot of empirical data about what’s important and what people really care about it

                        Need to figure out what’s important

Challenges that companies face:

Managers trained to make money, not to think about privacy

Company won’t die for privacy missteps, but brand will take a hit

            Incentives aligned: smart business people see that they shouldn’t blow privacy

Dynamics of firms in privacy environments

            Consent

            National Security Concerns, post 9/11

Need to make it readable

            Temptation is to specify as much as possible

            Yahoo! Spent a long time on it

            McCain pulled it up on national TV as unintelligible

Contracts and Regulators: standard is that of gullible consumer

            Unease with traditional contract law

Competing regulators

Not just online contracts – other data collection sources

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Questions

Q: (Bridget McDermott) Online banking study showed that people will take a risk for a small amount of money.

A: Peter Coleman (MS privacy chief) RBC has quantified privacy value, but it might not address core value.

A: Different roles for security for these online transactions.  Prevent bad stuff, comply with regulations, develop regulations.  Context for needed level of trust because they know it’s safe.

 

Q: Where does EU email directive fit between smooth and episodic?

A: Very smooth. Tinkering around the edges.

 

Q:  (Privacy Clearinghouse) Story about H&R Block kiosks, no protection for data. 

 

Q: (Elaine Newton) Is there any evidence that people would be loyal to privacy or seek it out?

A: Permission-based marketing have advanced that theory, but what does “evidence” mean?

A: Haven’t seen rigorous data, but firms that blew it try to fix it immediately.

A: Anecdotal evidence

 

Q: Customers get pissed about spam, even with pre-existing relationships, companies have to listen.  Will be blocked if they don’t listen to customers.

 

Q: What are effects of current regulation climate?

A: Is the government the best agent to dictate info processes?  Need to bring customer into equation.

A: Regulatory regimes can be bad if innovation shifts it to be irrelevant or stifling. 

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From Contractual Freedom to Strict Liability

Andrea Matwyshyn: Mutually Assured Protection: Development of Relational Internet and Privacy Contracting Norms

[This talk was delivered very fast and the slides were too full of content to read quickly, so I may not have captured the full focus of the talk]

Development of user trust

Starting point: Radin, Lessig

            Merged with Le Corbosier, architectures for us

            Lots of other interdisciplinary insights – cassel, turing, cybernetics, etc

            Empirical & normative

Security with architectures of growth

            Emergent organizational code vs. hierarchical top-down legislative & technical code

Ecology of internet data security

Is there legal emergence in data security contracting?

            Is it adaptive, and does it build useful legal constructions?

2 constructions: privacy policies & terms of use

            Hypothesis: More clear privacy policies, but more liability shifted to user

Empirical anaylsis of privacy policies of time

            Sample – 75 firms public firms, good methodological sampling

            Content analysis of privacy policy

                        Point based for disclosures, shifting provision

                        Sampling across time

Terms of use enforceability is backed by case study

            Clickwraps valid à BUT need notice and visibility

Results

            Significant shift in policies

            BUT: burden shifted onto users

            Browsewrap GUIs probably not up to code, but not user-friendly either

Weaknesses in current system

            Lack of trust and uncertainty with both parties

            Uncertainty in contractual construction and predictability outcome

Proposal – merge terms of use and privacy policy

            Self-imposed fair…. [something]

            Usability content testing

Use simultaneous standardization and customization for the user

            Create new legal constructions that are adaptable,

            A “daily me” of internet contracting

Relational conversational agent to negotiate these contractual issues

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Shubha Gosh & Vikram Mangalmurti: Social Insurance Perspective on Cybersecurity and Privacy

Informed by law & economics

Thinking about other policy tools to protect personal interests and information

Insurance is about aligning interests

            Moral hazard, perverse incentives

            Not an ideological perspective on property/torts/contracts

            Boils down to the issue of trust

Narrow point: strict liability for failed information security systems

            BUT: not negligence, like chandler

            Only use liability as a mental model / thought experiment to get to the incentives perspective

Broader point: security and privacy should be thought of as a matter of social insurance

            Focus on institutions and context of transactions

Social insurance: ensure trust in architecture

            Highways, inoculation, securities law

            Risk and uncertainty balanced by liability and accountability

                        See Nissenbaum’s paper on accountability

            People will still use resources, but maybe not as efficient/effective

E.g. - CA law imposes a duty to warn à social insurance aspect

Case for & against strict products liability approach

            Historical parallels

            Product vs. service – how do you classify SW, wrt security issues?

            Meaning of a defect – standards are hard.  Need a risk utility analysis.

            Difficulty in determining who is liable.

                        Redistributors, open source

            Role of consumer modification defense – open source consideration as well

Implications of social insurance

            Legislative solution modeled on strict product liability

            Private rights vs. public structure and optimality

            Privacy vs. security

                        Demand vs. supply

                        Individual right vs. public good

                        Need some language to discuss interaction

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Raymond Nimmer – Contracts and Data protection

Language of the debate are disparate: rights, regulation, contracts

Privacy isn’t a useful word – focusing on “transactional data”

            Non private, accurate as to what it portrays, corporate-individual exchanges

            Case: Ms. Lindqvist, who worked at a church w/ website, disclosed health condition (sprained ankle) of colleague

                        Ended up in court vs. EU Directive

Contract law is inevitable for transaction data

            Consent

            Contracts grounded in interactions & transaction costs for legal enforcement of expectations

Issue: how do parties allocate and control data creation and use?

            Basic approach: no restriction on use unless express, or statutorily defined

Rights and social costs of data protection

            Assa costs that need to be balanced by resulting benefits or exchanged

            Compliance costs

            Commercial speech

            Effect on future transactions – finding permission

Value and response

            AEI brookings study – value of personal information

[skipped slides]

Default rules have a function on contract settings

            Most efficient if people can use info as a default

            Sensitive data can be protected accordingly

 

Chris Hoofnagle: Putting Identity Theft on Ice: Phase Shifting Credit to Prevent Lending to Imposters

Need to think about Trusted Computing issues

Need to encourage real notice, but need protection given notice à focus on environment of protection given notice

Identity theft is growing, hard to define – 10 million victims

            Everything from using another’s credit cards vs. criminal arrests & false information

            Focus: new lines of credit in other people’s names

            Problem is bad business practices rather than consumer reporters

“Clifford J Dog” – guy took out a credit card in his dog’s name when solicited

Roots causes of

            FCRA – burden isn’t high enough to prevent the credit report from going to unauthorized person: “reasonable procedures”

                        Trusted insider issue – really easy to pull credit reports on people

                        30,000 credit reports illegally accessed – Experion & Ford case

            Credit granters do not have good standards to authenticate applications

                        Don’t need IDs, biometrics, just clerks to read the applications

                        Tons of examples

            Aggressive competition

                        5 billion pre-approved credit offers – only need to add SSN & DoB (all easy to get)

                                    Can even use an alternate address on card!

                        “Magic 3 seconds” of credit granting – instant authentication

                                    Any liability for that?

Consumer tools for cure

            People find out about it too late

            Credit report monitoring can halt damage, but not eradicate it

            Liability for false issuance of credit à hasn’t held up

                        Huggins vs. Citibank – no relation between issuing bank and the victim of ID theft

Phase shift for tools of credit - Default is that credit report is frozen and not accessible

            Can thaw it on demand, for certain conditions

                        Password

                        Phone number access

                        Thaw it for a few days

            Stops impermissible pull

            Can opt out

Why not to change the credit system

            Cost

(BUT – cost of the current system is $50 billion)

            Inefficiency – maybe you want it

                        (BUT can opt out, build in personalizable authentication)

Questions

Q: Are contracts adequate to the task at hand

A: Contract is just one part of a broader scheme.  Code and law from top down, emergent best practices from bottom up.

A: Need to define the problem.  Can make a good case for SSNs to be inside a contract environment, but there’s so much info that

A: Mortgage firms make you sign a tax record release, but are sharing it with corporate affiliates.  Need to stop this.

A: Areas where contracts don’t fill the need.  Disparity of user sophistication. 

A: Markets for information are complicated: subject of the contract itself but also the background of the transaction.  How do you separate descriptive and substantiative information. 

 

Q: Computer security acts are frightening because capture can preempt common law development.

A: State laws avoid controversy, which will be involved in privacy.  Interstate Commerce issue is a little problematic too.

 

Q: What about ICC and state laws?

A: Yes, CA laws might not hold up constitutionality

A: Federal legislation has been getting weaker.  State laws have been using FIPS,

 

Q: (Elaine Newton) What about P3P?

A: More flexibility, and force the user to engage in privacy and rights issues.

 

Q: (Virginia) Is ID theft an American problem, and what would the costs be of this?

A: Hard to compare internationally, wrt different credit practices.  Costs now are transferred to issuers and merchants.  Merchants are paying for fraud that they didn’t cause.  ID theft victims paying the cost.  We need to slow down credit, which synchs with economists saying that there’s too much consumer credit. 

Q: Is there a merchant constituency?

A: MBNA is huge lobbyist, argued for Bankruptcy Bill

 

Q: (TJ law) Who is on the plaintiff side for SPL, and how do they contribute to the negligence?

A: Need some sort of reasonable standard for negligence.  How is risk allocated among parties. 

A: Interoperability issues are difficult.

 

Q: (Creative Commons) What about multi-party transactions?  You involve your bank every time you talk about something else. 

A: A typical credit card transaction has 3 contracts involved, online or offline.  CC regulated by GLB. 

 

Q: (Lillian Edwards) ID theft in EU is going up, according to a recent report. 

Q: Andrea vs. P3P – consumers don’t want active involvement!

A: Use a technological solution, agent negotiation.  Also, this will be an open standard. Isn’t P3P open?

 

Q: What did you mean by industry default rules?

A: UCITA had a possible clause about transaction data.  Could have used Article 2 as a vehicle for standardized privacy issues.  Thus, data not related to contract issue in

 

Q: (Beth Givens) FACTA was heralded, but it was driven by State laws.

Q: Readability experts should be involved in privacy policy drafting. But credit groups may not want super clear privacy policies, as an active involvement. 

Q: Notice can work, if it’s done well.

A: Yes, readability important.

A: Hard to walk the line between simple, readable discussions and

 

Finding the Players in the Privacy Shell Game

Marcy Peek: Beyond Contract: Utilizing Restitution

From Whittier Law School

[This guy] was hacking into Axiom for several years

            Axiom assigns lifestyle grouping to each of us.

            After hacking was discovered; FBI found several other hacking issues

Torch concepts (jet blue?) project: presentation about

“Shadow offenders” – no direct relationship to individuals, but massive data stores of personal information

            E.g. Axiom, choice point, information brokers & data miners

            Many offenses: misuse, mishandling of data à causes fraud, ID theft, credit mishandling

            Not in privity of contract with users à users can’t sue them with contract theory

            So: little incentive to protect data

Use principles of “quasi contract” for unjust enrichment

            Permissible parties

            Restitution proposal: liable in restitution if firm is unjustly enriched at the expense of individual

                        Remedy: restore benefit or pay money to eliminate unjust enrichment

Focus isn’t on enrichment, but on the unjust nature of that enrichment

Why use restitution for

            1) Gives incentives to defend data

            2) Doesn’t rely on presumption of a specific set of promises

            3) Gives remedy to the actual victim, rather than injunctions and fines that benefit gov’t

            4) Placing value on what the defendant gains à get a valuation of the harm

                        Avoid the battle propertization/valuation personal data

Is there enrichment w/ data mishandling?

            May not be the necessary cause and effect

Issues with mechanism of restitution

 

Michael Birnahck & Niva Elkin-Koren: Securing Privacy in a Multi-player Regime

From Haifa Center for Law & Tech, based on a paper called “The invisible handshake”

Privacy worth pursuing, threatened by state AND the market

            State vs. citizen à constitutional law

            Corp. vs. user à common law

            (State + corps) vs. citizen/user à ???

“The Invisible Handshake”

Players:

            The state - IT has reduced state’s control devices

            Private sector – increased power

                        Increased power of information gatways à gatekeepers

                        Law can reduce competition

Context: post 9/11 legislation

            USA PATRIOT, UK’s RIPA

            Recruiting of private sector

                        CALEA tech capacity, data retention, Data preservation, obligations and immunities of OSP’s

.gov + .com = ?

            No longer bipolar relationship b/n state & citizen

            ISP as a 3rd player b/n govnt’ and citizen

                        Con law and common law only cover part of the relationship

Meaning of “Invisible Handshake”

            Unholy alliance

            Private actors enjoy additionally power. 

            Fighting terror has a cost: liberty encroachments

            Minimize costs: constitution, state action doctrine, judicial oversight

                        à Make invisible handshake

 

Susan Brenner: Should criminal liability be used to secure data privacy

Why criminal liability?

            Why not to do this: It’s draconian and messy—be parsimonious

            Civil liability is not enough sometimes: need a specific “harm”

                        I.e. fraud or stalking

            Systemic interest that is significant – generalized social harm

What is privacy?  Right, property, source?

            What does it encompass?  Many facets, not a unitary concept

Privacy as an antonym, something that is defined in opposition

            Subjective: “reasonable”, “expections of privacy”

            Assume risk of no privacy

            Arms race

Different kinds of data (Katz) how related to Katz?

Tool data: SSN, usable to commit crime

Biographical data: not private

Transactional data: assumed risk of disclosed data

Criminal liability

            Individual control BUT: people don’t understand consequences

                        Individual “harm”

            Institutional control – generalized “harm”

                        I.e. US v. Park – grocery CEO held criminally liable for rats in warehouse

                        Risk of not securing the data put on data custodians

            Traditional model is reactive, based on state, borders à doesn’t work for cybercrime

            Need flexible standards, tech neutral

Agent of the state question – a hacker discovers child pornography and tells state

Imposing liability on institutions, need criminal liability as an incentive/deterrent

 

Tim Wu – The International Privacy Ratchet

From UVA law, presentation is  part of The Return of the Leviathan

Can a legislator flapping wings in France set off a hurricane in California

            Interactions between states creating a de facto privacy regime

            How can other countries ruin or strengthen a domestic privacy regime

Country interactions example: i.e. Libel across borders

Internet: site can be located outside state, not bound by laws (or so they say)

            Model 1: Restrictive rule wins – Yahoo case, Dow Jones v. Gutnick Libel

                        Restrictive law wins because firms want to avoid asset seizure

            Model 2: Least restrictive state wins – IP, gambling obscenity

                        Cyberanarchy

            Difference between models: physical presence in a country exposes them to harms

                        Business model drives the difference

Privacy problem

            Intrusive – non-consensual taking of intrinsically valuable information (Harvesting emails)

                        Least powerful entities involved, hardest to stop à lack of assets limit power

                        Controls largely confined to use of intermediaries

                                    State might have become more powerful          

            Transactive – misuse of consensually supplied data by known entities (online airline booking)

                        More powerful entities, multinationals

                        Restrictive rule – i.e. EU Directive

            Governmental violations

                        WTO and unilateral sanctions

It depends on what you care about

            International regime will lead you to different systems

           

Questions

Q: How do economics drive attention or rejection of national laws by multinational firms?

A: If yahoo makes enough money selling nazi goods, then it will ignore france.  But this is no different from other cost effective law violations or customizing products for different regimes.

 

Q: Policy prescription for making the invisible handshake more visible

A: Require judicial review

 

Q: Race to the top of regulatory scale through the use of gov’t controlled intermediaries: how does gov’t put pressure on them?

A: Targeting credit card companies, follow the money trail, controlling citizens indirectly.  All through physical assets located in specific jurisdictions.  BUT: not always a race to the top.

A: Search engines, and the copyright enforcement issues.

 

Q: (Michael Robin) Private companies sharing info with government, but what about gov’t outsourcing data to businesses?

A: Falls within regular paradigm of constitutional law, which governs gov’t abuse

 

Q: What does invisible handshake look like in Israel, where terror is more salient?

A: More cooperation between public and private.  NB: Israeli private sector is closer to EU model, and the transactions are fairly visible.  E.g. cell operator licenses are bound to act according to “secret appendix” so we know that info is being gathered, but subject to judicial review.  Concern is more about the casual, voluntary interactions between ISPs and law enforcement.

 

Q: What about hack-back?  Can a victim fight back, or at least break law by patching others systems?

A: [Susan] doesn’t think it’s a good idea.  Vigilante justice comes up with there are gaps (or perceived gaps) in law enforcement, but it’s still not a good idea.  Error rate, anarchy, legitimacy in the process,

A: The LE budget is below what it should be.  Challenges aren’t that much difficult than the real world.

A: A bank in Nebraska was hit by Malaysian hackers, but didn’t go to local LE.  If you find him, what do you do with him, and how do you pay for it?

Also – no evidence that it will be an effective deterrent

 

Q: What is cyberlaw like in Israel, wrt privacy and security

A: Protected in public sphere by “basic law of human dignity” which is constitutional.  Similar to Canadian charter.  Comprehensive privacy act in 1981, identifying privacy as a right. 

Q: Anything specifically applied to internet?

A: Use common law, apply previous laws to internet.  BUT: disappointing record of compliance in websites à depends on awareness and willingness of rights holders

 

Q: (Beth Givens) Any thought to the value of personal information in terms of restitution? (persons name & address is worth $.05-1.00)

A: Haven’t looked into it yet, maybe another paper.

Alternatives for Privacy Enhancement

Jay Kesan – The Economic Case for Cyberinsurance

With Ruperto Majuca and Bill Yurcik

People already have insurance, but they’re designed to cover traditional, not cyber perils

            International losses, tangible losses,

Why cyber insurance? Economic case for it

Compare with self-insurance to mitigate loss

Compare with self-protection to prevent loss

Cyberinsurance increases self-protection

            Raise awareness

            Incentivize self-protection à better IT safety

Cyberinsurance complements self protection and vice versa

Cyberinsurance facilitates socially-optimal precautions

            Information pooling and expertise à more/better standards

Cyberinsurance increases social welfare

            Creating a market for internet risk bearing

            Maximize total utility on loss and no loss - > pick optimal level of insurance for social optimality

Emerging cyberinsurance practice

            IT safety and precautions emphasized

            Aggressive pursuit of attackers

            Large and growing demand: $2.5 bn by 2005

Need to facilitate the creation of a market in internet risk bearing

 

Ted Janger – ID theft, reputation sanction and the non-disclosure externality: regulating data security in the payment system

Brooklyn Law School, with Paul Schwartz

GLB – sensitive info and customer notices

            When is notice required à section 501

            Agencies set security guidelines

2 tiered mandatory disclosure scheme

            Agency notification

            Customer notification – after sensitive info (SSN, etc), only if possibility of harm or misuse

Two competing responses from GLB regulations in the comments

            Fleet – market based approach to customer notices

                        Leave us alone, don’t make us tell our customers

                        Narrow notification to where harms have occurred, or the possibility

                        If we have to disclose too much, we won’t disclose….

                                    Legal & reputational sanctions chase security breaches out of system

                        Financial info bears a lot of risk

                        Reputational concern

                                    Allows for self-policing

                        BUT: disclosure disincentive – incentive to conceal b/c of reputation – lying to the marketplace

                        BUT: Disclosure externality – won’t internalize full costs b/c info can be used to defraud other institutions

                                    Bank X may be able to manage own risk after harm, but it could spread

                                    Can’t trace fraud back to info leak of any specific bank

            FRB of Chicago – enforcement based (cool idea)

                        Recognize worry about disclosure

                        Anonymizer intermediary about security breaches

                        This anonymized leaking information is given to customer without bank name

                        Still prompts good customer behavior

                                    Target their ex post behavior

Lemons equilibrium because customers may not select bank because of

Model

            Benefit to customers

            Benefit other institutions w/ externalities

            Response coordinations

            BUT: less information about reputations à customers don’t use it anyway

            BUT: maybe less incentive to secure information

Disclosure regulation is necessary

            Enforcement model vs. market enhancing model

 

Lillian Edwards: The Problem with Privacy: A modest Proposal

Edinburgh, IP & Technology Law

Privacy is now in Marie Claire

What are the harms to consumers?

            Unwarranted disclosures

            Spam, popups

            ID theft: up 45% in the UK, ½ million complaints to FTC

Advantages of sharing data

            Get personalized services, convenience

            Businesses get an asset

            Trusted relationship b/n business and consumer

Fix problem, don’t throw out baby with bath water

EU DP model has some issues

            Tran jurisdictional issues (spam isn’t from the EU)

            Hard to enforce it in cyberspace (elephants vs. mice)

                        Very casual enforcement mech

                        40% of commercial websites didn’t know what info they had

            Lack of customer pressure to enforce it – DP enforcement depends on this

                        Lack of awareness on DP rights

            Notions of consent, opt-in, opt-out, contested

Self regulation

            “we’ve talked about this”

Code - Automated bargaining

            No real choices, not real protection from privacy policies

            Possible consumer perception as a firewall

            How can you value it in aggregate

Control of information

            How to secure it?

                        Contract, tort, DP, code, criminalization

Alternate model –

            (Inspired by Terry Fisher’s P2P approach: give out music, get money back from some social tariff)

            “Date wants to merge” (“flow”)

            Controlling flow of personal information doesn’t work

Trust model

            Truster gives asset to trustee who hold it for the beneficiary subject to fiduciary obligations

            Protracted gift, no consent needed

Individuals have an incentive to aggregate data for higher value of datem

Data collector has highest standard of care

Individuals have a right of action, abuse of trust

            Does away with consent

Tax on data collection from companies

            Pay to middle person

Too hard to give money back to data subjects

Use money for:

            Mitigate losses from privacy harm

Free availability for PETS with this money        

Payout for statutory fines.

BUT: tragedy of the commons, since no one firm would have loss

 

Questions

 

Q: Don’t underestimate importance of protecting brand

A: Tradeoff between identification of breacher and how future harms will be prevented.  Key problem – institutions play chicken not to be the first one to disclose breach.  Still try to capitalize the brand.

 

Q: Insurance of cybersecurity is different because we don’t have a point of product liability à distributional issue

A: If price mechanisms will work, need to identify who will pay for what.  Insurance hold vendors liable, but they can’t forsee the entire risk.  So price mechanisms may not work

Q: But won’t I be subsidizing Microsoft?

 

Q: (Tim Wu) With EU model, why wouldn’t we want to predominantly target the “elephants” since no one trusts “mice” with their info anyway.  If the elephants comply, isn’t that successful.  A: Mice get data from elephants.  People are making money from data collection, and that they owe some kind of payoff. 

 

 

About these notes

These notes were recorded on the fly by Allan Friedman, and any omissions or inaccuracies are purely his fault.  To learn more about the papers here, please see the conference website, see the Symposium volume to be published in the fall, or contact the authors directly. 

 

I am not a lawyer.  Thus, many of the complex legal terms may have been skipped over, and it’s possible I have misrepresented an argument.  Please contact me (allan_friedman at ksg.harvard.edu) for any corrections or clarifications.

 

I apologize for the horrendous formatting; I took notes in Microsoft Word and was lazy about dumping things into HTML, so plenty of nasty artifacts remain.